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I’ve had a problem. For a long while now, I’ve felt too much like Sisyphus and grown increasingly frustrated with my progress into Japanese. Especially the last two or three months. I am a disabled, divorced dad, who gets his kids every Thursday night and every other weekend. The disability already makes using the SRS challenging enough. I have “bad days,” where doing my reps is simply impossible, and I take longer working through reps than my peers do, especially when writing is any part of the task at hand. My kids are the single most important thing in my life, more important than my religion and more important than this language project. So I maintain a great deal of my immersion while I’m with them, but I will not waste any of that time sitting in front of a computer doing flash cards. Sometimes I can get a few reps done after they’ve gone to bed, but not always, and never all of them. Mostly, because of the previously mentioned disability, I try to get rested up while they are sleeping so I can have some energy and attention to give to them the next day.
Usually takes about a half-a-day to a day to recover from these weekend visits. Then, three or four days to dig out from under the pile of backed up reps that accumulated over the weekend. Another three or four days to really fall into my groove. And just about the time I feel I’m really rocking again, making progress, two weeks have gone by and the cycle begins again.
I’ve long believed there should be a way to “pause” the SRS, so no “time” passes for the cards during periods when you cannot get to it. For instance, if you know your going on vacation, you could pause it, deck sits frozen, unpause it when you get back and pick up where you left off. Also, there should be a “rewind” feature for those who lose motivation or forget for a few days or weeks, then try to come back to their decks only to have hundred or even thousands of cards due. It’s so demoralizing to face those huge stacks, I recently spoke with someone who said they’ve deleted dozens of decks for this very reason. I know that it created a lot of mental paralysis for me each returning Monday. But, I’m no developer, or programmer, so until I learn those skills, I can’t really address this problem software side.
I was stumped, and just kept trudging forward, three steps forward, two back, doing my best. But, in the past few weeks some ideas came together for me. From the synthesis of these ideas, I’ve come up with a language acquisition method so easy, so effortless, it makes Lazy Kanji look like some kind of brutal labor camp.
1. Very recently, there was news that Khatz had deleted his entire sentence deck in favor of a new method of his own. I’m not privy to the details of this new method. He is, at least currently, (quite fairly, I’ll add) reserving those for members of his premium service, AJATT +Plus. I have no income, and am currently not a subscriber, but I would be if I could afford to be. What I do know about this method is that it draws on large chunks of text to provide context and relies heavily on cloze deletion and redundancy. This reminded me of another technique I’ve long been fascinated with:
2. Incremental Reading. IR, in short, is feeding lots and lots of reading material into an SRS, and using the SRS’s scheduling features to push material you aren’t ready to read yet out into the future while bringing those items you want to see sooner, closer. It can be a lot more complicated than that, but that’s the most important parts. You can read more about IR here: http://www.supermemo.com/help/read.htm .
3. A few days ago, someone from the #ajatt channel on irc.rizon.net , linked to a youtube channel run by a gentleman known as Fluent Czech. He has lots of interesting and novel ideas for learning languages, many of them approaches very, very different from the AJATT style methods most people I know use, but definitely not the typical, terrible, traditional methods that have failed so many of us in the past. Then, Sunday night I came across this video:
4. Which leads to Ilya Frank’s Reading Method… This method involves reading text in your target language with LITERAL, word-for-word translations inserted directly into the text. You read a paragraph of whatever you are reading WITH the translations, then immediately read that same paragraph without them, and keep moving forward. Here’s a small example of what that looks like:
[ ばあさまは、ももを拾(ひろ)って家(いえ)に帰(かえ)りました。Baasama wa, momo wo hirotte (the old woman, having picked up the peach; hirou) ie ni kaerimashita (returned home; kaeru). 夕方(ゆうがた)になって、じいさまが山(やま)からもどってきました。Yuugata ni natte ([when] the evening came: “when it became the evening”), jiisama ga yama kara modotte kimashita (the old man returned home from the mountains; modoru).
ばあさまは、ももを拾って家に帰りました。夕方になって、じいさまが山からもどってきました。] — Momotarou, Ilya Franks.
I immediately disliked a few things about Frank’s set-up. Firstly, the romaji HAD to go. Second, FluentCzech had the brilliant realization that the literal English meanings should go IN FRONT of the target language. This way your thinking from meaning into the structure and vocabulary of your target language, and not backwards trying to pull your target language into your native tongue. However, even setting this up in a way I’d consider backwards, Franks method has met with lots of success in Russia where he has published HUNDREDS of books formatted this way, three or four a month, and read by thousands of language learners.
5. Finally, I’d been thinking about narrow reading. Narrow reading is reading only books by a specific author or within a certain, small topic or genre so that you experience a lot of repetition of vocabulary and grammar until you’ve mastered that stuff and can move on to a new author or area of interest. This is supposed to make your reading more effective and also build confidence because as you get familiar with the author/topic your reading becomes much easier and faster. What could be more narrow, though, than reading the SAME material, at spaced intervals perfect for keeping the vocabulary and grammar your encountering in working memory?
So, for a few days now, I’ve been making what I’m calling Literal Translation Looped Reading cards. Some from original material (websites, wiki, etc), and also working through all the material Franks has made available to English learners of Japanese on his site. Removing the romaji and re-arranging the translations takes a little editing, but its still very easy and there’s quite a bit here to begin with, saving me much trouble. So, here’s what a typical card looks like:
Front:
(«on a certain day»)ある日(ひ)、(Momotarou came to/appeared before the old man and the old woman),桃太郎(ももたろう)はじいさまとばあさまの前(まえ)へきて、 (sat in a polite position: «neatly/properly»)きちんとすわって (folded both hands)両手(りょうて)をつき、
「 (thanks to you)おかげさまで、 (I’ve grown up so big)こんなに大(おお)きくなりましたから、 (to the island of the demons)おにが島(しま)へ (I am going to get rid of/wipe out/vanquish the demons)おに退治(たいじ)にいってまいります。 (please)どうか (the best: «number one» in Japan kibidango /millet dumplings/)日本一(にっぽんいち)のきびだんごを (make; つくる — cook, do + くださる — do something for somebody)作(つく)ってください。」 ([he] said)といいました。
(the old man and the old woman were surprised)じいさまとばあさまは、びっくりして (would try to stop [him]; tomeru)とめました (but)が、(Momotarou would not listen to them at all: «no matter what they said»)桃太郎(ももたろう)はどうしてもききません。
(the old man and the old woman against their will/had no choice but)じいさまとばあさまはしかたなく、(lots of the best millet dumplings in Japan: «large quantity» made)日本一(にっぽんいち)のきびだんごを、たくさんこしらえて、 (made him carry /the dumplings/ on his belt)こしに下(さ)げさせ、 (made him tie a new band/towel /around his head/)新(あたら)しいはちまきをさせ、 (made him put on new /traditional Japanese skirt-like/ trousers “hakama”)新(あたら)しいはかまをはかせ、 (made him wear [a sword at <<his>> side])刀(かたな)をささせ、『([that had] “The Best/Strongest in Japan Momotarou”)日本一(にっぽんいち)の桃太郎(ももたろう)』(written [on it])と書(か)いた (made him take a flag; もつ — have)はたを持(も)たせて、(sent him on his way; おくる + だす /auxiliary verb denoting the beginning of an action/)送(おく)りだしました。
Back:
ある 日[ひ]、 桃太郎[ももたろう]はじいさまとばあさまの 前[まえ]へきて、きちんとすわって 両手[りょうて]をつき、
「おかげさまで、こんなに 大[おお]きくなりましたから、おにが 島[しま]へおに 退治[たいじ]にいってまいります。
どうか 日本一[にっぽんいち]のきびだんごを 作[つく]ってください。」といいました。
じいさまとばあさまは、びっくりしてとめましたが、 桃太郎[ももたろう]はどうしてもききません。
じいさまとばあさまはしかたなく、 日本一[にっぽんいち]きびだんごを、たくさんこしらえて、こしに 下[さ]げさせ、 新[あたら]しいはちまきをさせ、 新[あたら]しいはかまをはかせ、 刀[かたな]をささせ、『 日本一[にっぽんいち]の 桃太郎[ももたろう]』と 書[か]いたはたを 持[も]たせて、 送[おく]りだしました。
So, the task, read through the front, then, read through the back. If you could read it without the literal translations in the text and still understand the “gist” of things, then pass the card. If you were a bit shaky while going through the passage the second time, fail it. If the card was completely maddening and you didnt understand at all then hit “very easy” and push it way out into the future. Keep doing that until you are finally good enough to read it.
Anyways, that is it in a nutshell. These are SRS cards with almost no test to them. No stress involved, and a big pile of them backed up simply means you have some reading to do. It has taken so much pressure off my studies and made me excited about learning all over again. As I advance, I’ll probably begin leaving out translations for vocab. I already know, but it was recomended to begin with EVERYTHING translated because it is very helpful in internalizing the structure of your target language. I don’t have any real empirical data of MY OWN yet (although Franks seems to from his studies with Russian learners), but I do know this. Some Japanese idioms which have baffled me for ages suddenly made perfect sense after encountering them with this method. Any ideas, comments, questions or suggestions, please let me know. Does anyone have any experience using Ilya Franks method in its original form?
Ouch, almost forgot something VERY important. Read through everything in order, but read the English bits silently and the Japanese bits outloud. Your mind extracts the meaning from the English this way, but what it latches on to is the Japanese. Very important part.
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Actually, this is a really great idea! As you know, I’ve been working on graduate school here. The amount of reading material is immense–not to mention the retention rate is low just because of the sheer amount I have to read. However, this is a bad thing because, in order to graduate, I have to be at least pretty familiar with the material (all well and good if it were in English).
Now, your “LTTR” method (abbreviates nice too) actually provides a great way to get through these materials, still make sure that I understand the context and general meaning, then move on with my life, briefly touching back upon the topic as time goes on.
Really great! I’ll report back on any results as I go along.
#5 is how I’ve been studying so far and most likely will be how I will continue to study. I’ve just picked a single manga series and read it from first to last volume without reading anything else in between. Everything you’ve said does happen – vocab is repeated, you get used to grammar, etc. I keep a spreadsheet of all the vocab and definitions that I had to look up and add about 15~20 per day to SRS. Reviewing those words in SRS and seeing them pop up again and again in your reading = no way you’re going to forget them. You do get faster, too. At the end of To-love ru [18 volumes] I would say my reading speed was 2x-3x faster than it was at the start. If anyone has the patience to stick to one series or source for a while, I’d definitely recommend it.
This, simply put, is awesome. Newly getting into sentences, (and was about to go into what Khatz is entering now), I was able to read the back of the card perfectly. Of course, I had to double check the towel/band-wearing verb because of it’s similarity to the verb in the sentence before it, but it was a simple mistake.
I’m going to get some funding and get into Khatzu’s newest ideas, but you, sir, have stepped on a gold mine. Thank you.
I found two problems with using Anki and existing spaced repitition apps.
Firstly was what you described with getting an impossibly high number of reviews after taking a break. Like you said, there needs to be some sort of ‘pause’ feature that you can activate manually or that kicks in automatically if you don’t log in for a few days in a row.
Secondly, and this was a big deal for me, typing out cards by hand with meaning takes _hours_. While I don’t want to bring in tens of thousands of examples (via public decks) I don’t want to type them in by hand either. It would be great to have suggested new sentences or at least a searchable database of example sentences that I could add to my decks with a single click, better yet in large groups.
I’m currently working on a web-based app like this and am trying to figure out the fine details. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions for features you’d like. Feel free to get in touch via email (ali dot najaf at gmail dot com) if you’d like to be part of the beta.
I’m pretty sure this will work well for kanji studying. I mean don’t write each kanji, just read it (on-yomi) aloud. Thus I probably won’t use it as I’ve got 3 chapters left to RTK completition
Actually, I think more than learning kanji, it was most effective for very rapidly acquiring vocab and internalizing grammar/sentence structure without ever having to study such. As Khatzumoto (alljapaneseallthetime.com) says, building procedural memory through exposure rather than declarative memory which is mostly useless with language learning. I really increased my skill a lot using LTLR, unfortunately making the cards took way too long so I abandoned the method in the end. To see what I’m doing now, check out this more recent post http://threepoundsflax.org/the-two-tiered-card-system-reading-decks-and-cloze-deletion/ .
I think I know what you mean and I will try this LTLR now, as I’ve finished vol 1 of RtK. But I thought that this can be also useful for kanji cards. I tend to feel frustated writing down kanji talking to myself in English, so maybe, just maybe one can just memorize the reading repeating it aloud while SRSing. The card would look like this:
front:
(thing) 物 もの
back:
物
[story]
Objective is to read kanji aloud and write it while answer if displayed. I didn’t try it and I won’t anytime soon. Also this probably won’t work just as a format I made myself :/ But I am willing to share this, becouse maybe someone will find it interesting and take some good from it.
The other thing I started to use LTLR for is wathing subbed Anime. I mux the .mkv file moving subs by ~-1s. This sucks for longer text blocks, but reading fast/just taking a glance at subs and than listnening to dialog shall work pretty much the same way as LTLR. Thus to make it work pefrectly I’ll need a literal translation, which I (with my current J-skill) cannot do myself :/ I’ll let you know whether it worked or not, if you want.
I read the other post already, but this seems to be targeted for already-went-monolingual poeple (I’m far from this now).