Comments on: Lazy Kanji + Mod (or what I’ve been up to) http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/ "What is the Buddhadharma? An Urban Hermit Takes Refuge in the Way of Zen." Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:55:58 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: limyreth http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-1250 limyreth Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:28:17 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-1250 I love your sense of humour (It's measuring box!). Also, it's much easier to learn with this than Heisig, thanks! I love your sense of humour (It’s measuring box!). Also, it’s much easier to learn with this than Heisig, thanks!

]]> By: Kendo http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-850 Kendo Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:48:48 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-850 hi martin, sorry i somehow missed your comment, so I don't know if you'll see this late reply. My question is, how long have you given it? Are you reviewing the kanji for a couple weeks and then expecting to know the answer the first time you encounter them in the wild? Lazy Kanji, perhaps unlike RTK, doesn't work that way. As I discussed in the post, its more like dialing a phone number many, many times until you have it memorized. The method and SRS just make this a lot more painless to do than writing them out hundreds of times each would. In fact, for me, some of the more complex kanji really only became truly 'solid' after I learned words which used them, though I had familiarized myself with from Lazy Kanji. This doesn't mean Lazy Kanji is a waste of time. No. Anyone who has finished Lazy Kanji will tell you that learning vocabulary afterwords is easier by orders of magnitude. But if you want a method with clear immediate results, then yes, you probably need to go back to RTK. If you can be patient, and view this as an organic system which is part of the larger system of learning Japanese, then Lazy Kanji is a much gentler, more maintainable way to go about things. hi martin, sorry i somehow missed your comment, so I don’t know if you’ll see this late reply. My question is, how long have you given it? Are you reviewing the kanji for a couple weeks and then expecting to know the answer the first time you encounter them in the wild? Lazy Kanji, perhaps unlike RTK, doesn’t work that way. As I discussed in the post, its more like dialing a phone number many, many times until you have it memorized. The method and SRS just make this a lot more painless to do than writing them out hundreds of times each would. In fact, for me, some of the more complex kanji really only became truly ’solid’ after I learned words which used them, though I had familiarized myself with from Lazy Kanji. This doesn’t mean Lazy Kanji is a waste of time. No. Anyone who has finished Lazy Kanji will tell you that learning vocabulary afterwords is easier by orders of magnitude. But if you want a method with clear immediate results, then yes, you probably need to go back to RTK. If you can be patient, and view this as an organic system which is part of the larger system of learning Japanese, then Lazy Kanji is a much gentler, more maintainable way to go about things.

]]> By: Martin http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Martin Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:14:15 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-536 I figured the problem with lazy kanji for me is... it works just like RTK, except that it is impossible to become non-reliant on the story presented on the front... upon filling the blank, knowing the keyword... without a story set in mind the primitives never come on their own. I NEED the sentence, or else upon seeing the keyword, nothing happens at all. This may well be the gamebreaker for me... and call for a LOT of reworking to do to get back to RTK =/ I figured the problem with lazy kanji for me is… it works just like RTK, except that it is impossible to become non-reliant on the story presented on the front… upon filling the blank, knowing the keyword… without a story set in mind the primitives never come on their own. I NEED the sentence, or else upon seeing the keyword, nothing happens at all.

This may well be the gamebreaker for me… and call for a LOT of reworking to do to get back to RTK =/

]]> By: Martin http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-527 Martin Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:58:02 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-527 Hi Kendo, I worked with RTK and came up to about 900 kanji, then let the whole thing die for a few months, exhausted. Now I came back on track using Anki and your lazy kanji mod v2 within one week of 1-2 hours a day. I quickly added up to almost where I was to get my SRS back and running. My trouble is: When I see a Kanji "in the wild", I just can't seem to recall it's meaning/keyword... I KNOW that I know that one, it just draws a blank in my head. When I review I mostly just glance over the sentence presented and can fill in the correct word in the blank and of course produce the Kanji from the parts in the text. It's just... in the wild it seems not to work, as in, seeing the kanji rarely triggers anything in my mind =( I make sure to guess the keyword or a synonym (I'm german learning everything in english, so some english keyword just happens to get several german equivalents from me additionally) and write out the kanji without further looking at the sentence. I then open the answer, look at the kanji there, say the keyword, maybe write it a second time.... it just doesnÄt seem to stick! Should I better return to full RTK? I'm using the primitives deck to supplement and keep ahead my primitives, tho. Hi Kendo, I worked with RTK and came up to about 900 kanji, then let the whole thing die for a few months, exhausted.

Now I came back on track using Anki and your lazy kanji mod v2 within one week of 1-2 hours a day.

I quickly added up to almost where I was to get my SRS back and running.

My trouble is: When I see a Kanji “in the wild”, I just can’t seem to recall it’s meaning/keyword… I KNOW that I know that one, it just draws a blank in my head.

When I review I mostly just glance over the sentence presented and can fill in the correct word in the blank and of course produce the Kanji from the parts in the text.
It’s just… in the wild it seems not to work, as in, seeing the kanji rarely triggers anything in my mind =(

I make sure to guess the keyword or a synonym (I’m german learning everything in english, so some english keyword just happens to get several german equivalents from me additionally) and write out the kanji without further looking at the sentence. I then open the answer, look at the kanji there, say the keyword, maybe write it a second time…. it just doesnÄt seem to stick!

Should I better return to full RTK? I’m using the primitives deck to supplement and keep ahead my primitives, tho.

]]> By: tabetaiii http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-382 tabetaiii Fri, 20 May 2011 09:16:36 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-382 A very excellent idea, I might give this a try myself. I've gone through so many reps of RTK and didn't seem to get them in my head. I probably only know 200-300 kanji without even needing to think. I know the primitives that make up the Kanji but I can't seem to remember the "actual Kanji" So, like you, I decided to experiment^^" I decided to flip the cards around, having the "Kanji" at the front side of the card and the stories at the back. Before looking at the stories, I would guess the Kanji. I've found this to work for me as I know I've retained a lot more Kanji this way. Forgot to mention I've been doing RTK for 8 months already^^" I guess it's one of those things that you have to do every day and it will gradually build up, slowly. Although we don't know it ourselves. A very excellent idea, I might give this a try myself.

I’ve gone through so many reps of RTK and didn’t seem to get them in my head. I probably only know 200-300 kanji without even needing to think.

I know the primitives that make up the Kanji but I can’t seem to remember the “actual Kanji”

So, like you, I decided to experiment^^” I decided to flip the cards around, having the “Kanji” at the front side of the card and the stories at the back. Before looking at the stories, I would guess the Kanji. I’ve found this to work for me as I know I’ve retained a lot more Kanji this way.

Forgot to mention I’ve been doing RTK for 8 months already^^” I guess it’s one of those things that you have to do every day and it will gradually build up, slowly. Although we don’t know it ourselves.

]]> By: Kendo http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-309 Kendo Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:15:13 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-309 well, when i did it, i suspended the whole deck to start, then as i unsuspended new cards i was about to learn, i'd look them over. Also, I made and did the <a href="http://threepoundsflax.org/primitives-deck/" rel="nofollow">Primitives Deck</a> as I went, so that I was always familiar with new components as I encountered them. So you might want to take a look at that post too. well, when i did it, i suspended the whole deck to start, then as i unsuspended new cards i was about to learn, i’d look them over. Also, I made and did the Primitives Deck as I went, so that I was always familiar with new components as I encountered them. So you might want to take a look at that post too.

]]> By: Kendo http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-308 Kendo Thu, 28 Apr 2011 01:10:58 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-308 well, you can continue using the book as you go OR you can use my <a href="http://threepoundsflax.org/primitives-deck/" rel="nofollow">Primitives Deck</a> (actually fabius's deck now, see the note on that post) to memorize all the components as you go. You can guess which way I'd do things, seeing as I made the Primitives deck... well, you can continue using the book as you go OR you can use my Primitives Deck (actually fabius’s deck now, see the note on that post) to memorize all the components as you go. You can guess which way I’d do things, seeing as I made the Primitives deck…

]]> By: Alex http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-303 Alex Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:04:07 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-303 I checked out the [Lazy Kanji Mod/Mod V2] shared decks, they are great, thanks to Kendo and Wayne! One question though: If it it the first time I encounter the Kanji, how do I learn the components? In the Heisig book, there is an introduction for each new component. Thanks in advance for your time and help! I checked out the [Lazy Kanji Mod/Mod V2] shared decks, they are great, thanks to Kendo and Wayne!
One question though: If it it the first time I encounter the Kanji, how do I learn the components? In the Heisig book, there is an introduction for each new component.

Thanks in advance for your time and help!

]]> By: Octet http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-302 Octet Fri, 22 Apr 2011 11:10:56 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-302 Hello Kendo, I've just started using your deck and I wanted to thank you for the great job! But I've still got a few questions: how do you use it to learn totally new kanjis? Do you learn them first in RTK? or do you mark new kanjis cards wrong? Thanks for your attention Hello Kendo,
I’ve just started using your deck and I wanted to thank you for the great job!
But I’ve still got a few questions: how do you use it to learn totally new kanjis? Do you learn them first in RTK? or do you mark new kanjis cards wrong?
Thanks for your attention

]]> By: Diane Vangerbig http://threepoundsflax.org/lazy-kanji-mod-or-what-ive-been-up-to/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Diane Vangerbig Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:33:43 +0000 http://threepoundsflax.org/?p=21#comment-298 Just thought i would comment and say neat design, did you code it yourself? Looks great. Just thought i would comment and say neat design, did you code it yourself? Looks great.

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